Gary Crocker: My personal knowledge would have been in 1988, which is, you know, somewhere early in this game, so we were at Soviet missile facilities, and it was very clear: they covered their missiles when they knew the satellite was coming. I mean the colonel in charge of this made no bones that they're watching the satellite, and they would cover it. Now at this point, he's talking, there are no missiles in his facility. It's empty, it's gone, and that class of missiles is to be destroyed, and gone. The intermediate one. And he was very open about that. So, I mean I don't think it's any great secret that we knew that they knew. And again, our photo interpreters, just like people in others... but they're really good. And they would know a change in pattern. Believe it or not, my first... the first time I ever worked on anything like this was what we called Air... Berlin Air Photography, which was these planes flew in to Berlin, and they were taking pictures while they were crossing East Germany. And that's how we counted tanks, and we did this stuff the hard way: look, see were there tanks in the bay, and how many tanks there were, and stuff like that. You know, it was hard work doing it that way, but we knew that they knew when the plane was flying, so... and the tanks were all pulled into the bays, and the doors dropped down. So, I think that that art and knowledge is pretty old stuff, and that they'd know about it.

Gennadiy, that was very fun to meet you finally, yes, after working on each side for such a long time, we get a chance to talk. That's great.

Lepeshkin: Let's take our picture together.

Crocker: Yeah, and very informative, I must say, yeah.

Slava Paperno: Thank you, Gary, very much.