Yuri Orlov: I met with Yeltsin about five times. And I think that I got what he was all about. For all of his... with all of his shortcomings, he was on balance a positive figure. And I think that basically he wasn't lying when he said that. He was a person who, well, he lied when it came to Chechnya, for example. But you could tell that he was lying, and he wasn't very good at it. You could tell. Fundamentally he was not a person who lied and that's why I thought that he believed what he was saying when he made that announcement.
Slava Paperno: When he made the announcement about...
Orlov: That there would be no more biological weapons production.