Gary Crocker: On the United States side we had a very good idea about the facilities, but we had no defectors from the facilities, so we didn't know what was going on inside Stepnogorsk. We didn't have any human source material. But engineers were able to determine from the photography what was going on, and they turned out to be right. Also, on the Soviet side, certainly from my discussions with them, they were well aware of the work we did at Pine Bluff, Fort Detrick, they certainly had some good ideas, and they must have had some pretty good sources, because they talked about how we had stopped working on plague, and they continued on, and did something different. So they knew some of the work we were doing, and we certainly had enough leaks, probably, through time, that they had information about that. I think the... I... they had sort of two choices on the Soviet part. Did they not... they were... were they sure that we had started up the program, or never ended it, that that was a fake? I mean certainly the scientists, as I understand it, that I have met, Soviet scientists have said they were told that the US still had a big program. That just because they announced it was gone in '69... In fact, they still had one. Now, either the KGB was propagandizing a lie, or they were fools and thought we still were... had a program... you know, I'm guessing they had enough intelligence to know we didn't still have a BW program. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but...
Slava Paperno: What do you think about that?
Gennadiy N. Lepeshkin: Well, first of all, I read that... some analytical journals which said that the United States had stopped doing large-scale work and had shifted its research to various universities. And in university labs they were doing various kinds of genetic engineering research. That kind of thing. And funding for that work was being increased every year. I read that myself and knew about it. So we got the impression that the United States had officially declared supposedly that it was not working [in that area] but that in fact laboratory research was ongoing. And then the level that I was working at back then, I was doing purely scientific, purely technical work and didn't get involved in the big, weapons-related international relations issues. That just didn't have anything to do with me. If your work objectives were of a different, uh, type, then you worked on them, so you know more about that than for example, I do, who was doing only scientific, applied work. So I can't make any judgments now about whether... how we... well I can only say that we tried to do the jobs that we were assigned. We didn't trouble ourselves with the big picture and the issues facing governments.