Gary Crocker: We have this big diagram of Biopreparat, and this man comes along and gives us the first tack in ... okay, here's what they do at St. Petersburg, okay, we'd been looking at it but we've never had anybody inside it, so he's the most important, because he now points the way, and also, we always knew there were all these anti-plague institutes all over the place, now we're looking at all those places. So I think he's extremely important, not because he knew all about the program, but because he opens that door and lets us... and also he opens a door that lets us go to Moscow and say, you got a program and you've been lying to us, and they say, oh, you mean that guy. Well, yeah. They knew he opened the door. They may demean him, whatever, but we had the smoking gun to walk to Moscow.