Milton Leitenberg: Very few people in the Soviet Union know about it, even in the Politburo. When our book comes out, you will see that sitting in the Politburo, they lied to Gorbachev. So, it's an incredible story. It's a system, again, run in secret, by a small cabal. Total access to funds, scientific talent. He [Gennadiy] still cries about Building 221. And the best equipment. Run amok. Now, there are other... we know that Rhodesia had a little, little, diminutive BW program made of two people. The South Africans may had one also, very small, made of seven, eight people, but a directorate of generals again. Highly secret; five, six guys. They produced next to nothing. And no weapons. And what they produced was simply to poison people. So, it was a very abberant... not a real BW program. But there are parallels even there. Super secret, run by a small coterie. The cabinets in the countries don't know anything about it. The rest of the government doesn't know anything about it. OK, those had minimal resources, and did next to nothing, and were crazy. The Soviet Union was very different: not crazy, not minimal resources, but still a puzzle. The scientists feathered their own nests, the generals did what they wanted, tried to make what they could. Didn't work very well, tried anyway, kept them working, he tells you.