Gary Crocker: I never met the defector from St. Petersburg. I never met him, but certainly became aware when I was the one to carry his reports around to... to people, and show it to them. And it was highly classified, and very sensitive, because it was a British source. Um... there was talk, of course, of having him go public right away. He does eventually, of course, but again, they wanted to run this secret program. They wanted to get more information. And that's when Ken Alibek's come along, and the, you know, Sandekiev, and Koltsova. We began to talk to lots more people in the program, and we have all these leads, you know, from the initial source you have a lot of leads, that gets us to the weaponization part. Um... so... uh... he was... you know, people like Josh Lederberg went to see him, lots of people to get his bona fides, and everybody said this man is very credible. So, you don't have one of these source problems, where there're some people that don't think he's credible. I mean, everybody said, you know, he's for real. And the information was checked by ev... you know, all of his information was checked. So, he was... he was probably one of the most important defectors, you know, that we've ever had, I'd say. I mean, I think he was... because, you know, we've had defectors about nuclear, and missile stuff, but we knew all that stuff, I mean you get... but here, you did not know what was going on inside these facilities, so he's very, very important.