Gary Crocker: I am absolutely convinced, from everything we know, that Yeltsin knew nothing about this program. H didn't know about this program. As a matter of fact, I won't name them, but some very senior people, military people, didn't know about it. I mean, it was a real secret program. So, I mean, I would hope in our country that at least major people did know about the program, so...
Slava Paperno: You are talking about major figures inside the Russian government?
Paperno: They had not known about their own biological weapons program?
Crocker: Yes, absolutely. I have no doubt about that, okay. So... and... you know, I think they hadn't visited them, and I don't think they knew where some of them were. I'm... I'm positive of that, okay?