Gary Crocker: So, I came to the Bureau of Intelligence at the State Department in 1974. And this is after about four years in the Pentagon, working on all levels of Soviet forces. So I arrived, and we set up a new office. It was a political-military office. And one of my first assignments was to attend the Interagency Committee on Chemical and Biological Weapons, which I'd never even heard of. And I was the... THE I and R, and State Department person. People oft ask me about my colleagues at this time; there were no colleagues. I was the Bureau's chemical-and-biological-weapon person. There wasn't a great lot of interest in that, by the way. And so, I went to these meetings for decades. Many, many years. And my colleagues were really from other agencies: from the Central Intelligence Agency, Defense, the military services, NSA... So, we... we became a group of colleagues, and although a lot of people don't know... that's how the government... the intelligence system works. In an interagency basis. And we, collectively, fight our bosses. So... best way to describe it, so... We... we actually are trying to push our product, which is that Soviets have chemical and biological weapons, and people above us, both in policy and intelligence, are rejecting that for many many reasons. So, that's where I first learned all about the history of the Soviet biological weapons program.